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This is Daggett Flight Service Station, Daggett, California.

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Yes, sir.

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I've got a couple of reports for you.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Daggett video system 1664XR.

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Yes, sir.

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That's the 1664XR Daggett radio vent.

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1664XR, what are you doing?

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You're doing some math up here.

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I'm allowing about 60 knots.

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64XR, the winds are 270 at 9 or favorite runway 25, Daggett out in 7.

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Now, 3002, no other reported traffic.

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Okay, what we got here is the first call I got was from California Highway Patrol asking

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us if we had anything on radar.

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Well, we also have DF here and we have to respond to the DF.

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We're only talking with somebody.

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And anyway, hold on a second.

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1664XR, right?

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And the CHP advised they were chasing the UFO as he said.

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They were located at Essex, California.

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And Essex is about, oh, I don't know, the lead-low in Essex area is, oh, let's figure

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on the map.

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From the airport, approximately 35 miles to the east.

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And we're about to relocate.

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Pardon?

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Where are you located?

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We're in Washington.

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Oh, DC?

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No, no, state of Washington.

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State of Washington, okay.

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Anyway, I don't know if you're too familiar with where we are.

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I'm in the Mojave Desert.

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Right, but we know where Daggett's at.

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Oh, you do?

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Oh, definitely.

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Oh, okay, fine.

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And then you know where it's blood-loan, I think.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And they said they were chasing this bright white light with trailing lights that seemed

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to be orange and amber.

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They would change from orange to amber in the back.

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And they were actually chasing it, they said.

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So as they just gave me the phone, as they were just calling me, I had an inbound aircraft

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coming in from Phoenix.

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So I asked him if he saw anything.

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He says, well, matter of fact, he says there was a bright white light off my nose, he says,

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on the way in.

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Uh-oh.

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So, and I said, well, was there any colors on the end?

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He says, yeah, there was something like orange off the, in the back of it.

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So I guess we have two confirmed sightings there in some respect.

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Oh, great.

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Okay.

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Well, we'll follow this up and see what we got.

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So it's headed towards the Baker, or Las Vegas area.

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Okay.

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And I have no, oh, that's another thing.

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They said the CHP said it seemed to be stationary for a while and then moved around into the

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hills and they, they lost it for a while and then it popped up again.

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Okay, if we get any idea on it, do you want us to call you back?

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Well, yeah, if you want to, the only thing we know is it operates around here as helicopters

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at night.

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Yeah.

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And they don't have normally any orange color to it, or usually just white, you know.

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Okay, if we get anything on it, we'll let you know.

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Okay.

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Thanks a lot.

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Right.

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We understand one of your patrol cars had an encounter with the UF.

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That's right.

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It's the second one he's had in a couple of weeks out in that area.

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Okay.

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Can you give us any details on it?

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I'll tell you what, why don't I have him call you or you call him when he gets into the

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office.

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I'm sure he would like to talk to you about it.

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He, I could give you some details, but if I asked him over the radio, it would take

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that too much radio time.

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Okay, fine.

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Why don't we get him when he gets in the office?

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Okay.

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Just for my information, do you get a lot of reports in this area?

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Quite a few in Southern California.

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I know.

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I am an avid person who'd like to watch these things.

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Oh, good.

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Oh, I wouldn't believe the weird things we have out here.

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He had one here a couple of weeks ago when I was working and he thought it was a possible

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narcotics drop, but it turned out to be, it didn't look like, you know, a plane or anything.

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Okay, with your interest in the subject, do you want to get on the mailing list?

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Why, certainly.

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In fact, I will spread the magazine around when it gets here because there are a lot of people

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that really believe in those things.

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Okay, we'll send a couple copies in.

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Okay, I'll pass it around the office.

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Very good.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, thank you.

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Bye.

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I'll have him call you as soon as he gets to the office.

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Okay.

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Bye.

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Yes, we have to collect calls from Office Needles.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Hello.

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Yes, sir.

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You're the one I was supposed to call?

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Great.

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I'm sure.

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I'll be here in Needles, California.

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We'd like to hear about your setting tonight.

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Well, I don't know if that's what it was or not.

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Somebody else said UFO.

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I didn't.

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Uh-huh.

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So I sure couldn't explain what it was.

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It's about the third time I've seen this.

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Well, each time it's been different, but this one tonight was really, really unusual.

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What do you need to know?

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Well, give us a description right from the beginning of everything that happened.

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Okay.

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My vocabulary is not the greatest in the world, so I'm going to have to...

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No problem.

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I think you'll probably understand why I'm trying to get across to you.

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Okay, I fell up at the camps in Essex.

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That's a little bitty old town out here in the desert.

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Uh-huh.

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And I set it back up to Interstate 40.

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And also, the left of Essex Road is some real high mountains.

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I can't think of the name of them right now.

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They're part of the Providence Mountains.

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And they're real high.

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And I caught sight of a real bright...

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I'd say bright white.

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It had the yellowish tinge to it.

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It was the wrong color for a star.

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But I looked at it and it closely not thought,

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well, it must be the North Star.

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But then I got on it.

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It was too big and just seemed to have bulk.

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Uh-huh.

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So I watched it and then it disappeared.

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And I thought, well, I must have went behind that mountain and I kicked it up.

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And when it reappeared, it was on the wrong side of the hill.

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I've never seen it.

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It was the wrong...

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It didn't appear where it should have.

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Right.

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So I thought, well, I'm going to check this out.

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And I went down to the freeway.

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And this, if you can understand this,

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it didn't actually appear to be moving,

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but I never got any closer to it.

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You know, does that make sense?

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Yes.

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Okay, it didn't appear to really have movement,

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but I couldn't get any closer to it.

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Now, just off the top of my head as far as sighted,

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I'd put the distance at 10 to 15 miles from where it's, you know, that's far away.

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The first sighting had put me in the mind of,

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you know, these flers they dropped from the military's ballman at night.

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Right.

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But it wasn't...

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Those were yellow, one of that far away.

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They're not white, you know.

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And this was definitely a white light with kind of a yellowish tinge to it.

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So I kicked you up to a better than 100 miles an hour

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and hit the freeway and started heading toward...

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Well, I see, heading.

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It appeared to be in the area of the Providence Mountains,

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which would be north of Interstate 40.

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And I was trying, you know, I started going down,

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I was saying to myself,

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wait a minute, don't go down, don't go behind the mountain.

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And it went behind the mountain that I could see it moving then.

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And you know how when you come up over a mountain pass,

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maybe there's a city or something in the distance,

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how to light the area up.

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Right.

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This actually lit up the ground around it as though it were casting a light.

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I see.

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have you ever been in a big metropolitan area when they have the big choppers out

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and now they have the search lights on them?

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Sure.

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This is the impression it gave me.

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Well, like I said, this was 10 to 15 miles away.

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And so it had to be big, whatever it was.

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And it wasn't, it didn't pulse or anything like that.

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So I shot up freeway and I was about, oh, probably 25 miles from where I thought it would go.

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And I went out this, what's it called, Kelbaker Road, it's a dirt road.

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And before I got off the freeway,

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now this might have been my imagination by this time,

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but I seen something with no lights.

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I got the impression of something in the air with no lights at all.

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So something had blended off of it way off in the distance.

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You know, like aircraft or something with no lights on.

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So we've got a real bright moon right now.

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And on the desert it's just like a spotlight.

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But I only seen that one time and I couldn't even swear I seen that.

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You know, this is just the impression I got of it.

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Okay.

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And during the time, this was going down.

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I was talking to my dispatcher all the time

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and just prior to this I'd been in a estate,

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people were having a squirt answer and I went in and had some coffee.

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And I had my outside speaker on my Union Dawn.

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You know, monitor my traffic.

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Right.

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And he was talking to a unit all around.

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It was coming through just crystal clear.

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The man left the spot at this thing, we started having radio trouble.

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I could hear her, but there was interference.

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Okay, how long did that last?

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Up until the time that thing disappeared.

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Okay.

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And then I drove back from this in,

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oh, it spanned a period of about an hour.

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The whole from the time I first seen it

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until the radio cleared up again.

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Now, another officer was east and west of me at one time

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or another and he said it didn't affect his radio at all.

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But some other officers in needles at the same time

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that this thing was going down did have radio trouble.

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Now, not like a block or anything like that,

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just static that is not normally there.

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Right.

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And tonight we've got all a little overcast,

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light breeze and a bright moon,

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but nothing to really, that would normally indicate

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any radio interference.

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You know, it would bring the head to dying up or anything.

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Right.

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Right now, I want to play this back, make sure I got it right.

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At the time you first spotted it,

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you were driving north headed for I-40.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Northbound headed for I-40.

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And was this thing visible to you through the windshield?

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No, it was off my side window.

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To your left, in other words?

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Right.

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That's another thing.

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It never seemed to change positions yet,

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it was giving me the impression of moving away.

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I could always see it in that one position, you know.

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It wasn't like as the road changes,

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seemed like this thing remained in one place.

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And I don't know how to say it, it was stationary yet,

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I couldn't get closer to it and it seemed to be moving further away,

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but not actually moving in the sense that I understand movement.

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Does that make sense to you?

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Yes, definitely.

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Okay.

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Now when you got to I-40, did you go east or west?

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I would have gone west.

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Okay.

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At this point it's actually,

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it's almost a dead west at that point right there.

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Okay, now then would you be looking at it through your windshield there?

264
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I should have been, but it had gone across back up by the other mountains

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and I'd be looking at it, okay, got up.

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Yeah, it'd be through the windshield then.

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And then it dropped behind these peaks

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and I could see everything was lit up around it.

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Okay.

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Now did you say after it went down,

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it came back up again only at a different spot?

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No, I didn't.

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The first time I'd seen it, it was one room behind that peak.

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Right.

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And then when I seen it again, I stepped on it,

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so I just thought, well, the mountain must have come between me and it.

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Right.

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But when I seen it again, it appeared in a position where it shouldn't have been.

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Like, okay, looking at it, it would have been to the right side of the peak.

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Okay.

281
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But it disappeared when it just, well, it couldn't have disappeared

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where I was looking at.

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Okay, looking directly at the peak, you'd have the light to the right of the peak.

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And I would be moving to the right of the peak.

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Therefore, it couldn't disappear.

286
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Do you understand what I mean?

287
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Right.

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Yet it did disappear and then I stepped on it.

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I don't want to get to it.

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It had gone further in behind the mountain.

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And then it seemed to go across.

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Now, I can't say which side of the pre-wet was on.

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But then it did and it went toward these other mountains,

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these Providence Mountains where it was falling to curvature of the earth

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or something like that and disappeared behind these peaks.

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And basically it hit it for all the direction.

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I would say it would be Baker, California, which would run under state 15.

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That's why I had the dispatch alert all the units over there.

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Okay, then do you feel this thing was moving north?

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Yeah, it had been north-west of the direction.

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Okay, what time did you spot that?

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First sighting was about 8, I'd say 820 to 825.

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Also, did our dispatcher fill in on anything?

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No.

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Okay, Needles Flight Service at the Dagger Airport had an incoming pilot

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and they asked, was asking if they'd seen anything.

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And one pilot coming in from Phoenix, which is dead east of here,

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did see, he said, he couldn't explain what it was,

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some road-bright like strobe lights.

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But he didn't give in a particular location or anything like that.

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The Dagger Airport would have a record of that.

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Now, did you see when you were headed west,

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did you see any other bright stars or planets in the sky at the time?

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While this thing was in sight?

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No, it was near the intensity of this, no.

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That's why I say, I first looked and I thought,

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what if it seems low for a star?

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And it was way too low and it was,

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for some reason I could grasp depth on it.

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You know, stars, there's no depth of stars.

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Could you give me the degrees above the horizon approximately

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when you first saw it, or I mean when you were headed west?

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You mean if I project an angle?

324
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Right.

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Oh gosh.

326
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Well, I'm not that much on degrees in a minute.

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Probably 30, let me picture degrees now, 45.

328
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Okay, probably 30 degrees.

329
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Okay.

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That'd be my, well.

331
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Did you have any additional trouble with the radio since that?

332
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No, not a bit.

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Everything cleared up?

334
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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Did the light have any defined shape or was just a plain old light inside?

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It was, as though, it'd be like someone shining a light at you

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from a long distance off, yet appeared to be close.

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Okay.

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And real intense.

341
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It didn't have, okay, well it'd be like the difference

342
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when someone's trying to floodlight at you, it's just bright light,

343
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or when someone's trying to spot, you know,

344
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a spotlight penetrates and it hurts.

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Right.

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So, if you floodlight, just, it's bright,

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but it doesn't really penetrate your eyes.

348
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But this is what it would be like.

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Okay.

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How in the world did you guys find out about it so quick?

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The FAA notified us that something was being seen.

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They weren't sure exactly what it was.

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Well, as long as it gets in the line,

354
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let me give you a couple more deals I've seen out here

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that we never could really justify.

356
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Same area, same situation.

357
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I thought there was throwbacks in our time.

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We have a real high incidence out here of narcotics drops.

359
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I see.

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Because of our, you know, our isolated area.

361
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Right.

362
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And in this same general area where I eventually ended up

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with this thing tonight, I spelled a couple just quick flashes.

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They weren't constant lights like this one.

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And I thought, if it was in an area where we don't normally have lights,

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and this was a good 20 to 25 miles when I seen the light.

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And I watched it for a moment and I stopped.

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There was a disabled vehicle and I stopped and talked to them

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and I said, now you guys watch and they've seen it.

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So I went up and called another officer.

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We spent about two hours and we found a landing strip up there.

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We were looking with the idea in mind of an airplane.

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You know, like they'd come in flashed or strobes

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and maybe tried to set down or something like that.

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This was just after dusk.

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And we never found the thing.

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There was no vehicle.

378
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There was nothing up there except for constant guys, not rabbits.

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And this was once again a real bright, almost blue-white light.

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And then one night about, oh, it's been the end of last summer.

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It's coming down.

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And all these have been from interstate 40 to the side of the town.

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And just about 22 miles west of Needles,

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I've seen almost the same thing, real bright like strobe lights.

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And each time I've checked FAA and there's been no aircraft in the area,

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not that low anyway.

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And these other ones I've seen, they just put in some towers out here

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by Searchlight Nevada, which is just this side of Las Vegas.

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They've had some problems with the planes crashing into the wires out there

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when they come into a little airport there.

391
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They put some big tall towers out there with these,

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there's strobes that run up and down the towers.

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And we were at office.

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That's what we must have seen.

395
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But they weren't that far away when I first seen them.

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And they were headed towards those.

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Once again, it was a real bright, white strobe, strobe type lines.

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And I never have been able to explain those things.

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But I didn't really attach any significance to them.

400
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And then tonight, this thing really was really just so out of the ordinary.

401
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You've got a clear sky there tonight?

402
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We've got real high clouds.

403
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Basically, yes, it's clear.

404
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We've got a light breeze.

405
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Okay.

406
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Well, thanks again.

407
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We appreciate the time.

408
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Okay. Thank you very much.

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Good night.